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Me : "Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it." If this saying be true, if you are naturally brilliant and success comes easy, would it not be much of a success then? Is success then relative to where everyone else is?
A : Wow....this is a very interesting. I'm really sleepy but this really has opened up my eyes.
I answer, yes. It's really a yes.
Naturally brilliant is always called by the name, genius, and naturally not brilliant is always known as, drop out.
I've been thinking so much about this.When I was a child, I always wanted to be a genius, but when I got older, I started to look like a drop out. Hence I
started to appreciate the life of a drop out.
When I see a naturally genius, and naturally drop out, I see the "NATURALLY" as not fair. So I started to think what is the measure of success that is most fair.
Now, I know who is a real genius. A real genius is, when he/she encounters difficulties, he/she tries his/her best....no matter if he/she is a natural genius or a natural drop out....and result is not important.
Hamizao, am I fair enough?
B : "If this saying be true, if you are naturally brilliant and success comes easy, would it not be much of a success then? Is success then relative to where everyone else is?"
I don't agree. This is of the no pain, no gain mentality. You see, we equate struggle with deservingness, with success.
I might even go as far as saying only effortless success is meaningful.
C : For me, it's not about YOU....It is about people around you who benefits from what you give up.
D : "So if you are naturally brilliant and success comes easy, is that not much of a success? Or is it relative to where everyone else is? "
You would probably want to look at the matter on hand this way Hami- if a gal is naturally brilliant then her success is measured by the quantity of awards she has etc if we are taking the word success as literally as possible. I am of the opinion that a person's success would be best measured by the degree of importance of the field she is venturing into her research etc etc and the impact - the degree of the impact of her success to the ummah (community). Coz we live to contribute , right?
Then the question arising would be whether the impact of the success is basically - relative - to everyone else? So, if that person is brilliant she would have acquire a success of the highest degree within the class of her own, same level of playing field, right Hami? This is also fair as the difficulty or the challenges would be equating to the brain capacity, right?
Say - a gal with an IQ of 156 does not have to give up anything , it lies in the way she goes about things, the way she adopts in tackling the challenges, the perception etc etc ..... So I go for the impact , not how much she needs to lose to achieve it.
Then again Hami, heheheh your statement could be plausible in certain situation ....or else there can't be such a saying : work smart not hard , right?
E : Success is a state of mind and it is very subjective. To me success is when one is happy with what he has and has no complaint about it ..
Me : "A real genius is, when he/she encounters difficulties, he/she tries his/her best....no matter if he/she is a natural genius or a natural drop out. The result is not important."
Generally, I believe the measure of success ought to be the actual achieved against expectation with a degree of "difficulty" thrown in - hence you may have big success or small success. It can be relative too. To a genius, he may consider his success as small while to the normal , it is pretty big.
F : Any task completed is a success, self judgemental.
Me : ...and a task is naturally work, challenge overcame.
D : Hmm? How's that so Hami ?
B : It's not about whether you're brilliant or not.
It's how effortless can you succeed. Effort comes from ego. Look how I suffer, therefore I'm worthy, I'm noble. Get rid of that. This is my story. Look how I suffer. I am the hero. It's their fault. etc...
With effort, you strengthen ego. So, by succeeding effortlessly, you transcend ego, you go beyond them, you break them.
D : So Hami ...success can be perceptively (subjectively) measured and objectively measured. But then with all the argument laid out now, why does one's piousness ( piety) also being taken as the yardstick? By God, right? i wonder actually....
Me : Hmm... Well, people perceive that a pious person must also be this and that......a mere preconception I must say which may not be accurate all the time.
D : That's why .. when the society (which society and from which groups?, is it) dictates what a pious person or perempaun Melayu terakhir (last Malay woman) should be like, that's when trouble starts .....after all we do not know how a person's success is best measured what yardstick and the rationales behind it.
Me : Objectively , I like to use the analogy to;
work = force x displacement x cos theta
force = effort
displacement = change
theta = synchronization betwixt effort and change.
As for the preconception, it does effect judgement. I am usually careful about such things as there are many factors in play.
D : Luv you when you talk physics.
8 comments:
"A real genius is, when he/she encounters difficulties, he/she tries his/her best....no matter if he/she is a natural genius.."
I like that. Sort of reflects the kind of person I am (chey wah!)
BTW, thanks for dropping by (at my blog, and the event yesterday).
Thanks, Nana. Glad that you could find a little part of you here :) BTW, the subject is by no means closed but that is how it goes with forums........we get tired with thinking then we rest and then claw back...
Another thing about natural drop-out, I once heard that the right statement for such person is that he/she actually dropped in at the wrong place (and hence the drop-out). This is true, for we have seen a number of successful men out there are once considered drop-out. Take Bill Gates and Steve Jobs for example.
You are right...there are different was at looking at things. Some people may not need the scroll to ride the world....especially if one has talents for example. I would say these are perhaps the natural genius.
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